Conference on Persuasion Project Topics

On-Line Conference, Thursday, Feb 27, 1997 Present: Dan Irvin (Dan), Melissa Kirkwood (Melissa), Jeff Chandler (JEFF), Angie Satterfield (Angie), Xiao Wang (Xiao), Jeff White (jcwhite), Dr. Newbold (No1)

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TWO-WAY Transactions

*No1* Also, I'll send a reminder of our agenda tonight as soon as the others are on.

*No1* Dan is here....

*Dan* hello everyone

*No1 whispered to jcwhite* Is Melissa there too and logging in?

*No1* I wonder where Sue is...or maybe this is the week she has to work on Thursday...

*Melissa* I have finally made it!:o)

*No1* Jeff Chandler is, I think, trying to join us from Versailles, IN, from the support site there.

*jcwhite* Will either Pat II or Pat III be here?

*No1* Jeff has been out of town or working for the last 6 weeks or so, but joined Marc Wilson and me on Saturday--the transcript is posted.

*No1* Hello Melissa. Is everything working now?

*Melissa* No...I'm here with Jeff and Dan.

*Xiao* are you in the lab? Melissa?

*Dan whispered* I wil be going to England next week so I will communicate with you about staying up to speed

*No1* Yes, melissa is about 60 feet away from me, about 6 feet away from Dan and Jeff

*Melissa* Yes!:o)

*No1 whispered to Dan* Wow, why?

*Dan whispered* Actually about 1 foot

*Melissa* Not even 6 feet.Ha.

*jcwhite* We put the D in distance...

*No1 whispered to Dan* Dan, why not tell the group about England?

*Xiao* So all of you are in the same lab--283?

*Melissa* Yep.

*No1* Newbold is in his office, Angie in southeast Indiana (sorry, forgot the town) and the others in RB 283. Xiao is at UCLA I think?

*Dan* I will be going to England next week so I will miss both opportunities to chat. I will try to get ahead of schedule so I don't miss out on anything

*Angie* Patriot, IN poulation @ 350.

*No1* Dan the jet setter blasts off to London, population @10 million

*Melissa* Don't scare me, No1. You are referring to yourself in third person.

*Xiao* I am in the office of American Youth Symphony Orchestra :):)

*No1* Xiao....wha...?

*No1* I don't hear anything.

*JEFF* y'all I think I'm on. My server has been down and my site tech. said I couldn't get on, I saw what appeared to be connection and try now.

*No1* JEFF Chandler from Ripley Co. Indiana....welsome.

*Xiao* American Youth Symphaony--Zubin Mehta's father's office.

*JEFF* No1 Thanks

*No1* Xiao--I'll get the details on that later...

*No1* If everyone is ready I'll go over the agenda again for us. OK?

*Dan* ready

*Angie* ok

*JEFF* yep!

*Xiao* Ready!

*jcwhite* yep!

*No1* We're looking at the persuasive letter to the editor. We're at the topic stage. Here is the agenda from the Interaciton s page:

*No1* 1. What your position, or thesis is
*No1* 2. Who your audience might be
*No1* 3. What your main persuasive points are going to be

*No1* Well, I left off the first part of the clauses o nthose statements, but yo get the idea. I'm going to ask Angie to start by telling about her topic and what event, story, or whatever stirred her interest. Angie?

*Angie* I am wrting about the use of Ritalin in children with ADD/ADHD.

*Angie* I became interested in this topic when my child was diagnosed with ADD

*jcwhite* What is that Angie?

*Angie* I am an adult who liearned to cope with ADD as a child.

*No1* Is that "attention defecit disorder"?

*Angie* ADD is a disorder of the brain.

*Angie* yes it is Attention Deficit.

*Xiao* I see.

*Angie* I have never used it as an excuse in life and my children won't either

*jcwhite* Is that a new disorder? ie a new "finding" or has it been around and diagnosable for a long time?

*Dan* Did you take medication as a child?

*Angie* It has been areound for a while it came into vogue a few years ago.

*Xiao* Is it related to psychological study?

*Angie* I didn't take med. as a child my mother

*JEFF* Angie, I have a 16 year old diagnosed ADD 7 years ago. There is a natural alternative to Ritalin. Perhaps e could talk later. My wife and I have seen him victomized terribly by publi ed. in denial.

*Angie* subscribed to the "feingold" theroy of altering the diet.

*No1* Angie and JEFF, could se slow down a little for the bebefit of us others?

*Angie* My son had an adverse reaction to Ritalin last year he is no linger on it.

*Angie* ok, No 1

*No1* So, Angie, has there been a recent controversy about the use of Ritalin? Have yo seen any editorials, opinion articles, or other published pieces dealing with this topic?

*Angie* My piece to comment on was in Newsweek last March. The renewed controvesy is with the over sub. of the med.

*Melissa* I remember hearing something about ADD from a education major--a friend of mine--who told me that an elementary level class had about 80% who were diagnosed with this and on medication. I am concerned about the "increase" in diagnoses and .....

*Angie* especially with "problem" students

*Melissa* medication for something that we probably all experience as children, and we turned out fine without medication and such.

*Angie* Melissa that is the controvsy

*No1* So there IS a lot of controversy about the widespread use of the drug?

*Angie* What is acceptable and isn't. I experience this as both a parent and as one who works in schools especially with Add children.

*Melissa* So do you think that people may be over-reacting or has the medical profession found something significant?

*Angie* Ritalin is a class 2 narc. the same class as cocaine.

*Melissa* Is it addictive?

*Xiao* Angie, is there any research comparing the ADD patients with medication and without meducation yet?

*JEFF* Melissa, it has a very high street value and is usually injected.

*Angie* Adults have a wide range of drugs for brain imbalences. Chidren are slowly catching up in this area of the drug industry.

*Melissa* That's a nice thought, and we are giving this to are children--stressing the age level.

*No1* We are now at a crucial point for Angie's project--how will her issue be clearly and concisely defined?

*Angie* it is also snorted but the dosage most children use do not make it addictive and one abusing it needs to take as much as 1000mg at a time to experience any big effects.

*Melissa* Have you-Angie-come up witha thesis?

*Melissa* Yes, but could they become tolerant to the drug and possibly need more for the same medical results?

*Angie* I do not have a formal thesis written yet I have a general thought I am having trouble getting it to say exactly what I want.

*No1* Let's start with narrowing the topic. Angie--among all the concerns that have been shared, can you focus on a narrow topic to work with?

*Angie* Melissa, my daughter has been on it for over 4 years I have not increased the dosage we feel she will grow out of her need for it and be able to focus herself back on task when she relaizes she is day dreanming

*Melissa* How about the effects of ridalin on Add children?

*jcwhite showed* http://www.chadd.org/fact4.htm

*jcwhite* I'm sending a URL--maybe only for Angie--to check out later--it is the Children with ADD Web site...Angie, you might bookmark it if you find it helpful.

*Angie* With proper testing a child can benefit wonderfully with alin.

*Angie* with Ritalin

*Xiao* How about--should we or shouldn't we use medication for ADD children?

*Angie* is what I would like to focus on in my peice.

*Melissa* I understand what you are saying, but your daughter is not a very precise sample of a very large population.

*No1* Xiao has suggested this as a topic, Angie: should we or shouldn't we use medication for ADD children?

*Xiao* As long as Angie has enough evidence from her daughter, she can convine her audience into accepting her view, I think.

*No1* It sounds from your previous postings that you would come down on the PRO side of the question. Does that sound right?

*No1* Setting the issue straight in your minds, and then making your reader understand it, is a BIG part of the task in the project, for all of you.

*Melissa* I don't believe that information from one specific case would convince too many people. It would have stronger backing if there were some research results to back her opinions or observations up.

*No1* Oops, looks like Angie got booted off, I hope temporarily. Let's move on to Dan, if that's ok.

*JEFF* No1, would my input on a colabrotive scale add credability either way?

*Xiao* Good idea, Mellisa. Research and statistics are the best supporting evidence.

*jcwhite* Jeff, I am not sure what you mean about a "collaborative scale."

*No1* Jeff and Melissa, this is an INFORMAL persuasion project. That means that we are not looking for empirical proof, or even standard logic, in all cases. Our NEXT assignment, argumentation, is a more formal approach to persuasion. But your experience, and use of common sense, can be quite persuasive in many cases such as letters to the editor represent.

*Angie* what did I miss?

*No1* e* what did I miss?

*Angie* My server dropped me

*jcwhite* It will be important for Angie to know who she is trying to convince before she decides on her "method" of proof.

*No1* Angie, I just reposted a note I sent and maybe you didn't get.

*Angie* sure didn't

*No1* OK. Here's an earlier question directly to you, Angie: Xiao has suggested this as a topic, Angie: should we or shouldn't we use medication for ADD children?

*No1* Is this an OK statement of your ADD topic?

*Angie* I am not trying to convince everyone to use Ritalin on their children, just don't condem those of us who do

*jcwhite whispered* Dan is loaded and ready to fire off his topic--when we are.

*Angie* we are not evil or bad parents.

*Melissa* If empirical proof is not preferrable for this kind of an assignment, then she should probably use both--her medical background for a logic argument and also good emotional/personal argument.

*Angie* I plan to use my feelings both as a parent and as an educator.

*Melissa* Very good!!

*jcwhite* To whom Angie?

*No1* Angie--OK, it sounds like there will be plenty of good persuasive material to work with on this one.

*No1* Let's go to Dan now...ok?

*Angie* ok

*No1* OK Dan, fire aaway...

*Dan* I am going to write about the recent altercation between the police officer and the teenager who threw a banana out the windo of a car. There have been numerous letters to the editor with strong opinions both ways.

*jcwhite* I am not familiar with that case, Dan.

*Angie* nor am I

*Melissa* I'm not either!

*No1* Is this a Muncie incident?

*Xiao* Me, neither.

*Dan* The officer was off duty and saw a teenager throw a banana out the window of a car towards his daughter who was riding her bike down the street.

*No1* And then...?

*Dan* The officer pulled the car over , asked who dit the pulled the kid out of the car , slapped him, pulled his hair and threatened him.

*Angie* yes thanks jc

*Dan* The letters to the editor go from one extreme to another. Some say fire the officer the others say he should hav beaten all the teenagers in the car to teach them a lesson.

*jcwhite* Okay dan and from your telling of the story, you are nearer the "fire him" side, right?

*No1* OK, Dan, can we get a clear, concrete issue of public interest out of this?

*Dan* I am going to approach this issue from a neutral standpoint. Both parties were wrong in what they did.

*Melissa* Did you ever see the incedent on Cops or something...where the cop pulled a woman over, screamed at her to get out of the car at gun point, pulled her out of the car, slammed her into the pavement, and started beating her?

*Dan* I do not know any teenager who never did anything stupid.

*Angie* did the kids know it was a cops doughter?

*Melissa* I am confused! What did the father do exactly that was so terrible?

*Dan* I also know the anger the father felt when he thought his daughter may have been thrreatened.

*No1* It looks like that is a reasonable judgement, Dan.. But is there a more general issue of public importance here?

*Dalmatian* hello

*No1* Can anyone suggest what the issue might be?

*Dan* Yes, Most of the writers are going off the deep end. I do believe the officer is wrong but judgement should be based on fact not a witch hunt.

*Angie* How about acting a little more adult on both sides, the kids and the cop.

*Dan* I think adding a short story about a similar instance and the outcome will help convince people of my point.

*Angie* Have the kids pick up litter and the cop a class on channeling anger.

*No1* Let me make a suggestion. The issue might be whether police officers should be held to strict adherence of police rules when their personal lives are involved?

*jcwhite* Was the policeman in uniform? did he identify himself as a policeman?

*Angie* No, I don't think so, my father in law was a cop for over 30 years.

*Dan* I think the point should be, Cop or not you can't beat people for this sort of thing.

*Melissa* The problem is some cops have the idea that even though they are the law, they are above the law.

*Dan* Yes he was in uniform.

*jcwhite* Does "uniform"=adherence to rules?

*jcwhite* if nothing else beyond that does.

*Dan* I do not want to give the opinion this guy represents all policeman he was acting as a father.

*No1* Let me suggest this--the issue might be whether police must be held to a higher standard of public behavior because they represent the law in their communities?

*Angie* Is he a father first and a cop second?

*Melissa* yes..so do all fathers go out and beat up the little kids that pick on their children?!

*JEFF* Dan, in my book off duty border lines assault. Has anyone debated if charges could be filed against him?

*No1* In other words, should public officials (like police) be especially careful to observe the law when their own emotions are at stake?

*Dan* I want to address this as a man who happens to be a cop and the problems with the way the situation was handled

*Melissa* There job is to separate their emotions or personal from their job--just like any career.

*Dan* Yes the boys parents have filed a complaint

*No1* You are all a wonderful and practical group of concrete thinkers (I mean this in a positive sense). Can we cognitively "back off" a minute and frame the issue Dan will be giving his opinion on?

*jcwhite* Yes, Dan, how was it handled--after the incident.

*Melissa* Sure.

*Angie* ok

*No1* In other words, can we "abstract" or pull out the broader issue that is at stake here? If there is one, that is.

*Xiao* O.K.

*Melissa* We haven't stated it yet?

*No1* I don't think so.

*No1* Or we may have, but I missed it. Dan, are you following my request?

*Melissa* We can't mindread. I think the general issue will be different for everyone.

*Dan* My purpose will be to defuse the issue and let the proper course of action prevail.

*Dan* I want people to see how both sides are affected by the action and give them a different point of view.

*Melissa* There are too many issues, and they can all be considered general.

*JEFF* Melissa, I agree.

*Melissa* What do you mean "different" point of view?

*Dan* I hope to take the extreme points of view and bring them into the middle.

*Melissa* Or do you mean that you are going to let both sides be aware of each other?

*jcwhite whisper to joh* I am curious, Dan, what is the "middle" that you will promote?

*jcwhite* I am curious, Dan, what is the "middle" that you will promote?

*Melissa* No kidding.

*Xiao* How about--which comes first, duty or personal emotions--? (this is based on No 1's early statement).

*JEFF* Dan, I think your right on track. Middle ground is definitive persuasion.

*Angie* is he a dad first and a cop second or a cop first and a dad second?

*Dan* That teenagers do stupid stuff without considering the consequences and that fathers are protective. I will not condone what the father did but will encourage others not to burn him at the stake, rather leet his superiors take care of the issue.

*Xiao* I like Angie's, because it is more specific.

*JEFF* Law is law, no one should be above it and all should adhere to it. Uniform or not!

*Dan* In this case I believe the uniform will cause more damage for the father.

*JEFF* My father says "the law is not always right but the law is always law".

*Angie* what are his priorities is he a dad or a cop or a dad who happens to work as a cop/

*Angie* but the uniform/cop is still human, how far do we go in correcting him?

*No1* Dan--are you ready to go on and write your letter?

*Dan* This particular cop has had problems before. This is going to hurt him.

*Dan* Yes I'll be writing away

*No1* OK, great. Melissa, do yo have your topic ready?

*JEFF* How far would the law go correcting you if you did the yanking/beating? Especially if you were not a trained law enforcemnt officer.

*Melissa* I'll see what I can do. I was going to write the Daily News about a school policy.

*Angie* what school policy?

*jcwhite* she's typing...

*jcwhite* I can see her typing...

*jcwhite* still typing....

*Melissa* This policy deals with the 17.5 credit hour limit and the nonrefundable $123.00 charge if you go over that limit--even if you change your schedule to below 17.5

*Angie* I'm glad jc is not at my house.

*Angie* No 1 the one commenting on the typing

*Dan* credit hour limit on what?

*Melissa* Scheduling classes.

*No1* Melissa, has there been a controversy about this--in the DN?

*Melissa* No!

*jcwhite* should there be?

*No1* And there should be--that's your persuasive target?

*Melissa* Yes!

*Melissa* I already know who my audience will be too.

*Angie whispered* what is the DN

*Melissa* The students, faculty, and administrators.

*Angie whispered* sorry, learning to use whisper

*Dan* Is this a hot topic with many students or a limited group?

*Angie* what is the DN

*No1 whispered to Angie* Angie--DN = Ball State Daily News

*jcwhite* Will you then have three slightly different tasks occuring in your essay?

*jcwhite* Daily News, Angie.

*jcwhite* School paper.

*Angie* thanks

*No1* OK, Melissa, why is this a problem? Given that no-one ever wants to see price rises in any area, why is this particularly bad?

*Melissa* The reason this should be in the papers is because no one is familiar with the policy---this is how the school get their money from this policy. I have talked to some administrators and they don't have any statistical backing for the policy.

*Melissa* My opinion is that the policy is purely a money scam.

*No1* Melissa, what kind of statistics would relate to this issue, do you think?

*Melissa* First of all let me explain something.

*No1* Shoot.

*Angie* why did they set teh limit at 17.5 in the first place?

*Angie* when was this policy adopted and why?

*Melissa* They (admin.) told me how they came up with this policy when I asked them about it. They replied that "we have smart people." They could not show me any reasons why they have this policy.

*Melissa* Angie--I'm not sure.

*No1* Angie, 18 credit hours represents 6 courses @3 hrs each. So, if you want to take more than the "normal" load of 5, you have to pay more.

*No1* Melissa, I'm not clear on whether this is a new policy--maybe you mentioned this but I don't recall?

*Dan* Why would you pay for that kind of punishment

*Angie* here here

*Melissa* They tell me that the reason for the policy is for the benefit of the student. They said that (speculative) if a school didn't have this policy that they would have alot of students who would overschedule classes--say 30 hrs--then before classes started..

*Melissa* the students would reduced their class load to something like 16hrs.

*No1* So, that means that manny other students would not be able to get into the classes?

*Melissa* Correct. That's the data or backing that I was wanting them to show me, and they couldn't.

*jcwhite* Is it punishment for hurrying or protection from overloading one's mind?

*No1* Good point. But, again, is this a new poilcy, or a new number of hours involved?

*jcwhite* I mean in the school's mind.

*Melissa* I don't know!

*No1* Jeff W--it's a punishment for trying to grab all the seats on the front row...

*jcwhite* They get in the schedule and then scalp the seats to the brainiacs...

*jcwhite* She's not typing....

*jcwhite* She wants direct questions RIGHT NOW.

*Dan* If the policy did not exist what do you think would happen?

*No1* Well, you may have a case Melissa, esp. if you can make a case for the hours being arbitrarily set. At any rate, persuasion depends on many things. It wouldn't hurt to point out some of the other fees policies that could be considered questionsble--like making grad students on assistantship pay general recreational fees...

*No1* I think we'll need to go on to Jeff so he gets his crack before we're done. OK?

*Melissa* My topic is they are charging me for something they are not compensating me for.

*No1 whispered to JEFF* Jeff, can yo ustate your topic in a few words? I do have yor whole letter draft o nmy WP if you need a quote from that.

*Angie* ok

*jcwhite* What's on your mind Jeff?

*No1 whispered to JEFF* If you want to reply just to me, click once onmy name No1 at the left, send the message, and click again to return to normal mode.

*JEFF* No, 1 "What Price Economic Development".

*Melissa* I see...my topic isn't interesting enough!...ha..ha.

*No1* OK, what's happening down in Ripley Co that people should be worried about?

*No1 whispered to Melissa* Melissa, yours is a fascinating topic! We're just running a little short of time. I'd be happy to dialogue with you on it via e-mail or phonw if that would be useful.

*Melissa whispered* I was being sarcastic...I know why you moved on.:o)

*JEFF* I live in a very rural area that is being transformed very rapidly by Urbanization. Farms are being sold, land being deveolped. Infrastructure is over burdened. They want to raise taxes and quickly. All the while our natural resources continue to be depleted and sent into oblivion.

*No1 whispered to Melissa* I thought you knew--but i nthis environment it's easy to be misunderstood;)

*Angie* hey, live by the new casino

*No1* Jeff, has there been a flash point for this issue recently? A tax proposal or projected development?

*JEFF* By the way the crow flies, Cincinnatti is about 60 miles away. A loop brought into southeastern In. some 20 years ago provided a vehicle for this assault.

*Angie* I can relate to your defensivness in this area Jeff, I have a feeling I'll side with you

*Angie* How does the proposed loop added onto 275 affect your area?

*JEFF* Tax proposals are being debated hotly. One long time commissioiner, a firend of our family, (longest consecutive holder of such office in any county in state history) got out because the fire is about to fall.

*No1* Here's a sample from Jeff's early draft:

*No1* My point is Ripley County residents must become active participants in our local government. "We the People" decide to what extent Ripley County gets plowed under or paved under.

*JEFF* Add to this a recent Agriculture Co. wanted to bring in a meat processing facility, add jobs, contribute to tax base, ect. Many turned it down.

*Angie* Or is this because the east and north side of Cinti. is all buitl up and the property prices are high. While SE IN. is still relativly cheap.

*JEFF* devolpment!

*Angie* bah!!!!

*No1* Here's another sample from Jeff:

*No1* "Economic growth is great. It also has a price. We must count the cost. Evaluate, brainstorm, debate issues. But, if we run head on into economic growth without debate of possible effects, positive and negative, we may feel more the later."

*No1* Jeff--how should this public forum be accomplished?

*Angie* Land... they aren't making any more of it, so how much should be developed?

*JEFF* Voters must become active in the debate process. They are our voice. those not voting and grumbling about it, need to get fired up and become active.

*No1* It sounds like Angie is the kind of audience you want, Jeff.

*JEFF* Ask Bruce Babitt.

*jcwhite* Jeff, do you assume that they not only need to be active, but they need to oppose this buildup?

*Dan* Good examples of the experiences of other areas that support your point would be helpful.

*No1* Jeff, are you proposing a series of town meetings? Conducted in the school or library or somewhere, where everyone can debate the issues? Or a seris of community TV forums?

*No1* Let's give Jeff a minute to breathe!

*JEFF* I am actively opposing buildup yes. I want to give people something to think about long range. down the road you know.

*jcwhite* is that a pun?

*jcwhite* "down the road"

*jcwhite* nevermind.

*Angie* ha ha

*No1 whispered to jcwhite* I thought it was GOOD pun, Jeff...

*JEFF* I was in Fort Collins Col. 2 years ago, and a beautiful prarie had been transformed into a concrete jungle. Natives were outcast, as well as their ideas.

*JEFF* no town meetings have been proposed, that is a good idea.

*jcwhite* What specifically do you want your audience to be persuaded towards, Jeff--what ONE primary issue?

*JEFF* Our tiny paper is a hot bed for debating issues. Many people buy and read only the "letters to the editor" sections, then in the trash it goes.

*Angie* Jeff, we had meetings with the power plant co. make sure people know and let it be a exchange not just a walk through and leave type set up.

*No1* When election time comes around, is there a community body that could promote debate, like the League of Women Voters? Or even the Boy Scouts? Or a service club?

*JEFF* My primary issue is: Over population is dangerous to humans, animals, earth.

*No1* It looks like Jeff has some hot local concerns, a few examples of other communities, and a raft of good suggestions about proposed courses of action. All this ties into what should be a broad national debate about the use of the finite and disappearing land.

*Dan* Overpopulation and economic development are two different things

*Melissa* Whoa! First, you can't stop over population, no matter how hard you try. This doesn't really pertain to the issue.

*Angie* how about the topic of people who live in the country who would like it to remain the country?

*JEFF* I know of no one orgainization yet willing to debate this. Most people are focused on "self" and donw the road, we as a community may regret this self approach to things.

*JEFF* Yes, Angie. Well put.

*No1* I agree that a call for public involvement is needed--along with it, you need to provide suggested ways the public can get involved, ways they understand and can relate to.

*Angie* look at the problems of the deer already, if the development in rural areas continue out here it will be like in the north east.

*JEFF* No1, thanks for that idea. I haven't thought much about that, but see big benefit in it.

*No1* "Poor community planning and exploitive development lead to economic, environmental, and cultural decline." How's that for a focus idea?

*No1 whispered to Xiao* Xiao, are you there? Is there anybody in the symphony with you?

*JEFF* population is directly tied into develoment. How much depletion from the most dangerous predator of all (humans) can this planet take?

*JEFF* I like it!

*Angie* thats a big can of worms to open, Jeff

*No1* Jeff, I agree with you that populatin is related to your concerns, but I also agree with your colleagues that overpopoulation may not be directly involved with this assignment--since it is not a long or involved one.

*Melissa* Tell the people in Mexico that--Jeff.

*Xiao whispered* Yes, I am still here. Yes, my friend is here, waiting for me.he concern.

*JEFF* If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, right.

*Melissa* Center in on YOUR community--not the World!

*jcwhite* At least for this assignment.

*No1* Well, I think we are nearly out of time. I;'d like to leave yo with one reminder from your assignment. Are you all ready?

*Angie* ok

*Dan* ready

*JEFF* Aren't we being pushed into a global yard on all issues these days?

*JEFF* yes

*Melissa* YEP!

*No1* OK, here goes:

*No1* The texts you will submit for the project will be:
*No1* A ROUGH DRAFT, consisting of two parts:
*No1* 1. the letter itself, preceded by a detailed description of the original article, or a URL where it can be found
*No1* 2. an explanation of how you attempted persuasion, answering the questions on p. 219
*No1* A FINAL DRAFT of letter and explanation, with Process Writing attached

*No1* You may have seen the "explanation" part in your book and in the Project page for Week 6. But I wanted to make sure it didn;t get lost.

*Melissa* What if we don't have a letter?

*jcwhite whispered* I am still writing a draft for example here, right?

*No1* Well, Melissa, a letter could be framed for each of the issues we've been discussing. Your concern could well be put into a letter to the Daily News.

*Melissa* NO...NO..no

*No1* No no no?

*Melissa* What if we don't have an editorial to show or go by?

*No1* AH...I see.

*jcwhite whispered* on-line by Monday night--i'll just put it in my own account--at first anyway--or, better yet, send the *html* version to you as mail.

*No1* Well, I suppose the university's policy could be taken as a "text" that raises an issue--you're just the first respondant.

*Angie* No 1, my hand is raised, is class over?, can I leave now?

*No1 whispered to jcwhite* Angie, do you need a hall pass?

*jcwhite* Hold on all, No1 is checking something.

*Angie* ok

*No1* Angie, do you need a hall pass?

*Angie* yes, please

*Angie* Hey, do you send people to the office too?

*Dan* I'll see you all in two weeks. Have a bloody good chat session.

*No1* OK, your drafts with explanations are due Monday night midnight. Tuesday asap we'll post the drafts for responding. This time I want to encourage this porcess even more, so please send me a copy of the mail message yo send to your colleagues in response. I'll give more details in an email on Monday.. OK?

*Angie* ok

*No1* Pip, pip Dan. Are you sending in your stuff before yo go?

*Dan* yes

*No1* Jeff White will have an example letter and explanation ready on Saturday afternoon or evening--look for it. I'll link to the main page.

*jcwhite* Gulp...

*jcwhite* That's me!!

*No1* Jeff W, we know yo can do it!

*jcwhite* I am going to persuade you all to send me money!! I can be very persuasive.

*No1* Is there anything else ? Any more questions or comments?

*jcwhite* I am a rhetoric guy....

*Angie* nope

*JEFF* no

*No1* Good night all...

*jcwhite* night

*Angie* jc, you know the saying water from a stone...

*Angie* night

*Melissa* good nite!!!