Well, it is true there is a bit of the virgin in my upbringing, but it matters a lot what you think love is about. We have natualized, since Freud, the idea that desire lies at the root of all experience, but this is part of our Western tradition since Plato. And both body and mind have been associated with it--the flesh as a worldly temptation to our sensory reflexes and the mind in its desire for truth. But these ideas originated among the artists and scientists of the priestly class, the intellectuals who, Aristotle tells us in the Metaphysics, needed leisure (because you can't live your life thinking about the causes behind experience simultaneously). These thinkers were after what is behind experience and they had women and slaves to take care of living. They had become third witnesses to experience, as Merleau-Ponty put it. Bill responds